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jholic Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Total posts: 6265 Location: missin' hawaii Gender: Male |
 Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Bars, Clubs and restaurants....... Post Rating: 0 |
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| Keeper of hells gate2 wrote: | | As for finding a job - I would recommend becoming an english teacher or tutor. I heard alot of english speaking people go to Japan to teach proper english. I also heard it pays well. |
since some companies will pay or subsidize your housing, you would save a bunch on rent. but money can be made by free-lancing. some of my friends earned extra money outside of school by tutoring, teaching children, or correcting papers._________________ Use THUMBS UP/DOWN buttons to KEEP or DELETE posts.
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KinzaruJoined: 29 Aug 2005 Total posts: 31 Location: Tokai, Japan Gender: Male |
| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Bars, Clubs and restaurants....... Post Rating: 0 |
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| Keeper of hells gate2 wrote: | | Question for Japanese residents - Is it true that if you are a foreigner some bars, clubs and restaurants will not allow you in because you are a foreigner? I thought I heard that once. |
A friend of mine did get refused entrance into a club in Nagoya but I have never had anything like that happen to me (I have gotten kicked out of a club once though but that was after entering and had nothing to do with my being a gaijin  ). I couldn't imagine a restaurant ever doing that but perhaps somewhere there is one. My point is that while there are cases and that does suck, it is not prevalent at all. Like I said, I've never had any problems and I've been to a ton of places.
| kendrew wrote: | | about finding a job... how would you go about doing that? |
I would recommend the JET programme http://www.jetprogramme.org/. It is how I first came over and it was a wonderful way to get introduced to this country. The reason being you have a support system in place and a bunch of people just like you coming over at the same time and located (usually) in positions near you. You could also check sites like http://www.gaijinpot.com/ for job listings in Japan.
Your best bet will probably be an English teaching position unless you have good Japanese and some skills in other areas. With the right skill set and a decent command of the language, you can venture away from the English teaching gigs but if not then teaching English is about the best you can do. Some people choose to come over through one of the eikaiwa (English conversation) companies like Nova, GEOS, AEON ect. but I have heard a lot more negative things than positive coming from people who had worked or were working for them.
My advice is to research, research, research. I looked into a ton of options before making my decision and had backup plans if my number one choice fell through. The internet is full of information about living and working in Japan so take advantage of that. Oh, and one last thing... study Japanese like crazy before you come!  _________________  |
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jholicJoined: 03 Feb 2004 Total posts: 6265 Location: missin' hawaii Gender: Male |
| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Bars, Clubs and restaurants....... Post Rating: 0 |
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| Kinzaru wrote: | | Some people choose to come over through one of the eikaiwa (English conversation) companies like Nova, GEOS, AEON ect. but I have heard a lot more negative things than positive coming from people who had worked or were working for them. |
i have also heard negative things about most of the companies mentioned. i would also suggest another company if possible, but you may have to start out with one of these.
JET is pretty stong here in hawaii. our university of hawaii is a very large participant in that program. i regret never enrolling in that program...._________________ Use THUMBS UP/DOWN buttons to KEEP or DELETE posts.
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Agent007Joined: 21 Feb 2004 Total posts: 256 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| What are the posibilities of finding a job that will sponsor you for a visa? I don't have a bachelor's degree, and probably never will, but I'd like to spend at least a year in Japan. Is it even a possibility? I've been studying Japanese for 2yrs, but I'd like to get at least a level 2 JLPT cert before I applied. Any hope?
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KinzaruJoined: 29 Aug 2005 Total posts: 31 Location: Tokai, Japan Gender: Male |
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2trikyJoined: 04 Jun 2004 Total posts: 265 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:53 am Post subject: Re: Bars, Clubs and restaurants....... Post Rating: 0 |
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| Keeper of hells gate2 wrote: | Question for Japanese residents - Is it true that if you are a foreigner some bars, clubs and restaurants will not allow you in because you are a foreigner? I thought I heard that once.
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i've heard that too...when i was in japan last fall i was going to go this hip hop club called harlem but i ended up not going because i was too tired only to find out later that to gain entry into thatl club you had to go with a japanese native, as a chaperone so to speak. don't know if that's still the case...i think it was because they had some problems with a few foreigners there....fights, drugs, etc....
that's a whack ass policy tho...
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2trikyJoined: 04 Jun 2004 Total posts: 265 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:57 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Agent007 wrote: | You can pay for a fake college degree and try to get a job with it. I'd be lying if I said I didn't know people living and working here now that had fake degrees. Again this is a big risk for obvious reasons.
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that's fuggin' pathetic as hell! fake college degree....with fake transcripts too i would imagine...how fuggin' sorry...
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Hayashi_kunJoined: 10 Apr 2005 Total posts: 146 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:12 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Thanx for al the info, as im also v interested in finding ways to live in Japan.
will be looking thru all the JET and other programs u guys recommended.
jusr thought that caucasians would be preferred over Singaporeans (asian) when it comes to teaching English.
Perhaps I can resort to teaching Chinese as well...
btw, do Japanese study american/british english? we use both in Singapore thou..
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jholicJoined: 03 Feb 2004 Total posts: 6265 Location: missin' hawaii Gender: Male |
| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:31 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Kinzaru wrote: | | Well, you cannot get a working visa without a degree. |
interesting. last i heard, it was very difficult to get a working visa w/o a COLLEGE degree, but not impossible. things may have gotten stricter since.
| Kinzaru wrote: | | Oh, one more option to try if all else fails. You can pay for a fake college degree and try to get a job with it. I'd be lying if I said I didn't know people living and working here now that had fake degrees. Again this is a big risk for obvious reasons. |
ha, yes, i've heard of this too, but i'm glad Kinzaru does NOT recommend it. it's a huuge risk, and i wouldn't take the chance.
honestly, if you LOOK gaijin (blonde hair, blue eyes, etc). you've got a very good shot at working there (w/o a college degree). i'm being honest._________________ Use THUMBS UP/DOWN buttons to KEEP or DELETE posts.
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Agent007Joined: 21 Feb 2004 Total posts: 256 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:09 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| lol No, I don't plan on comitting fraud or working illegally. I do have an Associate's degree if that helps at all. I just don't think I have the time/ money to go at least another 3 yrs for a BA. I was under the impression that you needed a Bachelors to apply for a work visa on your own, but not necessarily if you were sponsored by a company. Did I just read that wrong?
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TNFJoined: 15 Jan 2005 Total posts: 941 |
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2trikyJoined: 04 Jun 2004 Total posts: 265 Gender: Unknown |
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KinzaruJoined: 29 Aug 2005 Total posts: 31 Location: Tokai, Japan Gender: Male |
| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:07 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| jholic wrote: | | interesting. last i heard, it was very difficult to get a working visa w/o a COLLEGE degree, but not impossible. things may have gotten stricter since. |
I am of course not an expert on any of this but I was under the impression that a college degree was basically a given if you were trying to get a working visa. I know without one you can forget about JET, major eikaiwa companies, most private ALT gigs, etc. This leaves you with basically only scraps left as far as English teaching positions go. Well regardless, we both agree that it is very difficult to get a proper visa without one.
Having that typical western-gaijin look is helpful but it doesn't seem to be money in the bank anymore. In my opinion the English teaching market isn't as open as it used to be and my guess would be that it's due to the rising popularity of Japanese culture with the Western audiences, thanks in large part to anime, manga, etc.  There are a lot more people trying to get into Japan now. I have had some ex-JET buddies try to get jobs after their stint on the program and most went through a lot of interviews before getting accepted for a decent job (emphasis on decent, eikaiwa are always hiring). I guess it comes down to what you are willing to settle for. If you want to get over here no matter what the cost then I am sure you can find something. But not having a college degree is really going to hold you back and that won't change once you get here. Maybe you can get sponsored by a company without one, Agent007, but I would strongly advise doing some research into anyone offering you a position that allows for not having a basic college degree.
| Hayashi_kun wrote: | | btw, do Japanese study american/british english? we use both in Singapore thou.. |
In my experience, American English is by far the most desired (much to the chagrin of a few Brit and Aussie friends of mine) but English teachers come from all over. It seems like the typical Western look is preferred but I have a few Asian friends who are English teachers. They are nationals of Western countries though. It doesn't really matter though as you may sometimes find your natural English being corrected in favor of the accepted Japanese take on it, heh.
As I said, I don't pretend to be an expert on any of this. These are just the opinions of a scraggly ol' gaijin who got lucky._________________ |
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Jane2000Joined: 26 May 2005 Total posts: 416 Location: France Gender: Female |
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jholicJoined: 03 Feb 2004 Total posts: 6265 Location: missin' hawaii Gender: Male |
| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Bars, Clubs and restaurants....... Post Rating: 0 |
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| tikleabubble wrote: | | Keeper of hells gate2 wrote: | | some of my friends earned extra money outside of school by ....correcting papers. |
um..does that mean professors are hiring students to grade papers for them?  |
well, i've heard that many STUDENTS will pay to have their papers corrected before submitting them. that can earn you extra money.
Kinzaru: thanks for giving me the update. i'm not only NOT an expert, but it's been a few years since i've followed that topic. your knowledge of the current situation is probably a lot better than mine. what you've said is pretty interesting.
perhaps jp people will actually LEARN some english now!  i don't mean to be rude, but as much as english is integrated in their culture (amount of eng schools, part of their curriculum, etc), nihonjin are still pretty awful at english. i attributed it to this:
back in my day (ancient history), it was rather easy to get into the JET and similar programs. most eng schools would just hire any old joe that could speak perfect english, no prior teaching experience necessary. i think the theory was if a student was forced to learn from a native english speaker, and s/he would pick up the language. i do not believe this works.
w/ a better screening system and criteria, perhaps japan will finally reach the point which they wish to be at._________________ Use THUMBS UP/DOWN buttons to KEEP or DELETE posts.
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