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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:39 am Post subject: Querbeet Post Rating: 0 |
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[Announcements & News]
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Current Discussion
Embedded Multilingual Subtitles
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Post your feedback, suggestions, comments on the subtitles here. Help us improve our subtitles.
Do not ask or request subtitles here. Thank you!
No flaming, no bashing, absolutely no spamming! Be respectful, and keep the thread clean!
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eye Joined: 02 May 2006 Total posts: 117 |
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AriBauer Joined: 31 Jul 2007 Total posts: 41 Location: Canada Age: 22 Gender: Male |
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:28 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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I've always been a proponent of softsubs (SRT). I think it's one of the most flexible and compatible formats available. It works for almost all players and consoles. It's probably the more convenient format, and not likely to give much people hassle, or troubles.
Personally, I never really cared for fancy coloring and styles. As long as I'm able to see, read, and understand the text, that is all that matters.
It's awesome that you want our opinions. Thanks to everyone at Querbeet for all your efforts and hard work you put into your subbing! Gambatte!
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lullabye Joined: 02 May 2009 Total posts: 78 Gender: Unknown |
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:29 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| I love softsubs. It's great to be able to adjust the subs to whatever screen I am using. What looks good on my laptop doesn't look so great on the TV.
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nell123 Joined: 17 Sep 2007 Total posts: 50 Age: 26 Gender: Female |
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k361 Joined: 29 Jan 2009 Total posts: 163 |
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:47 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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I can live with HS and SS.
Only got problems with .ssa or .ass and vlc. My player didnt show this subs on paused movie.
Some Subbers use to small fonts for the hardsub.
I watch an computer and can handle all formats and love the new mkv (480p) from Querbeet.
I like the idea of the embedded subs.
This subs can turned off. No need for new RAWs, if i find a srt in my language (german).
Will Querbeet switch to multilanguage subs with embedded mkv format?
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:00 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| k361 wrote: | | Will Querbeet switch to multilanguage subs with embedded mkv format? |
We will provide both embedded English and German .srt files, most likely. Might take a day or two longer but we'll have both subs.
Btw, guys, please do not only voice your opinions on softsubs or hardsubs, but also if you would be okay if we did embedded subs ONLY. Thank you (:
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mikkichan Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Total posts: 256 Gender: Unknown |
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isabelh2o2 Joined: 11 Jul 2009 Total posts: 19 Gender: Unknown |
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:02 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| I hope you will continue to provide either soft subs or hard subbed rather than embedded subs only. I have not been able to make the embedded subs work (I tried to follow the steps listed by Rollins when he started doing embedded subs). For those, I decided to wait until the subbing was over, and the soft subs released. But if you do go to embedded subs only, I will make a greater effort, because I really like your subbing work. Thanks for all the shows you have done so far!
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DrazicLocation: Netherlands Age: 19 Gender: Male |
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:54 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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If you're going to go with mkv then imo embedded softsubs is the obvious choice. It's better looking, has more options and anything that can play mkv should be able to do embedded softsubs. Especially for a group like querbeet who wants to do german subs too it can be very usefull to be able to have 2 subtitle tracks.
Your cons are bit odd as i havent heard of a hardware player that does mkv but not .ass subs, are there any? And there's nothing wrong with hardsubbing the karaoke, a lot of groups do that. (well, anime groups =P)
Just make sure you get rid of your watermark. I dont want to download the mkv just to de-mux the subs ;)
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Here's my opinion:
I care about the color and style of my sub...maybe I'm just picky like that so I preferred hardsub. One of the joy of watching hardsub is to see what the typesetters come up with for the color and the font, which always amaze me and they always did such an amazing job. I've never encounter any problem with subtitle being too big or too small at all (at least from Querbeet), either on my Macbook, PC or plasma TV so I'm not sure what everyone was talking about.
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Any typesetting querbeet does now with their hardsubs will work and look exactly the same in embedded softsubs =) Even better actually /o/
| mikkichan wrote: |
Another thing to consider is the player itself, which player will allow users to do that function? on a MAC and/or a PC?
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Since i'm assuming you're running OS X, you can use either Quicktime with Perian, Mplayer extended or VLC =)_________________ 
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Drazic wrote: | | i know this is spam so if any of the querbeet staff wants this gone, let me know and i'll remove it from my post) |
If you know it's spam, why are you even posting it then? People know that embedded subs are used by several groups, not only HaroRangers. So if you would remove the link please; we'd really appreciate it. This is a feedback and discussion thread, not a platform to advertise.
Still, thanks for the input.
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hafizadam Joined: 29 Mar 2007 Total posts: 185 Location: Cairo, Egypt Age: 20 Gender: Male |
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:07 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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one more pros I think eye forgot to include:
As you all know, our files are smaller than RAW, and we believe the quality is on par with the RAW (or even better =P) so with embedded subs, you can turn off the subtitle, and watch them like watching RAW, with smaller size.
So our target will be both who need the subtitle, and those who dont.
The only drawback is you need to wait a little longer. I think it still worth it. The discussion thread will be less spoiler because everybody will watch at the same time,
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DrazicLocation: Netherlands Age: 19 Gender: Male |
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eye Joined: 02 May 2006 Total posts: 117 |
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| isabelh2o2 wrote: | | I have not been able to make the embedded subs work (I tried to follow the steps listed by Rollins when he started doing embedded subs). |
If we decide to embed softsubs, we will prepare the videos so that the subs show up automatically. It didn't work in Rollins' case because he was using MP4 instead of MKV.
| Drazic wrote: | | Your cons are bit odd as i havent heard of a hardware player that does mkv but not .ass subs, are there any? |
Yes, Western Digital's WDTV, for example. For DivX Plus certified devices, only SRT support is mandatory. Even if a device supports ASS, most of the styling information will probably be stripped away, and I don't expect support for embedded TrueType fonts any time soon.
ASS is a very complex format without a reliable reference implementation. The existing renderers (VSFilter and libASS) sometimes produce very different results.
For these reasons we will have to embed SRT as a fallback option anyway. And if we embed ASS, don't expect the full range of fonts and effects we put into our hardsubs.
| Quote: | | Just make sure you get rid of your watermark. I dont want to download the mkv just to de-mux the subs ;) |
Hardsubbed credits and watermarks are not going away. If you can't live with them, the RAW remains your only option. Sorry.  _________________ 
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DrazicLocation: Netherlands Age: 19 Gender: Male |
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:38 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| eye wrote: | .
Yes, Western Digital's WDTV, for example. For DivX Plus certified devices, only SRT support is mandatory. Even if a device supports ASS, most of the styling information will probably be stripped away, and I don't expect support for embedded TrueType fonts any time soon.
ASS is a very complex format without a reliable reference implementation. The existing renderers (VSFilter and libASS) sometimes produce very different results.
For these reasons we will have to embed SRT as a fallback option anyway. And if we embed ASS, don't expect the full range of fonts and effects we put into our hardsubs.
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I see, i dont have one of them so i always assumed they properly supported .ass xD That's still no reason to not make the .ass embedded subs the same as your hardsubs though? Havent seen those in a while though so i have no idea what the "Full range of fonts and effects" are =P.
| eye wrote: | .
Hardsubbed credits and watermarks are not going away. If you can't live with them, the RAW remains your only option. Sorry.  |
Too bad, this all is useless for me unless you stop using your watermark. I'll always chose the softsubs/someone else his subs over a watermarked vid. Even if that means i'd have to download the vid twice >_> (that would be very lame lol).
Still doing a watermark with mkv+embedded subs kind of fails imo (always fails but fails even more when used together with mkv+embedded softsubs xD). But i dont really care about the filesize anyway so i'll just keep getting the raws then =)_________________ 
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